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Re: Unpatriotic Draftdogers

Posted By: El Fishski, on host 203.134.136.101
Date: Friday, July 5, 2002, at 06:13:23
In Reply To: Re: Unpatriotic Draftdogers posted by El Fishski on Friday, July 5, 2002, at 01:01:06:

Hmm. Well, I suppose I should note stuff before others point it out rather than after. Some of my USA flaming could probably be tones down a little, and it's not so much that people believe in country above all else perhaps after having another look at the posts I was handwavingly referring to, but that in the USA patriotism does appear to be so very high on the list of priorities, and to my mind patriotism is just a form of saying keep out, mine, to the rest of the world.
I'm not saying that people shouldn't feel proud of their countries if there's something there to be proud of, but really I don't see what we in the developed world do have to be proud of in regard to our actions with respect to the less well off countries, for the most part (from time to time one does hear hopeful news).
Just because I'm *glad* to be living in a place where I don't have to live in fear of being shot every day, where I can safely study to a high level doesn't mean I'm proud of the politicians and beaurocrats who much of the time seem to run the country as if they're playing a game where the objective is to grab as much as you can as fast as you can and who cares about the future...

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Patriotism - Sam - Sun, 7/7/2002, 19:51:48
- How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - El Fishski - Mon, 7/8/2002, 04:19:56
  - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Dave - Mon, 7/8/2002, 23:46:53
  - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Stephen - Mon, 7/8/2002, 22:29:14
    - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - El Fishski - Wed, 7/10/2002, 07:46:00
      - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Stephen - Wed, 7/10/2002, 18:26:31
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Sam - Thu, 7/11/2002, 06:14:40
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Stephen - Thu, 7/11/2002, 07:08:17
      - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - TOM - Wed, 7/10/2002, 12:45:09
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - El Fishski - Sat, 7/13/2002, 18:46:04
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Dave - Wed, 7/10/2002, 14:01:15
        
        Re: How can one disagree with SAT scores? - Gabe - Sat, 7/13/2002, 23:23:31
        
        Re: How can one disagree with SAT scores? - Balanthalus - Mon, 7/15/2002, 10:02:07
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - TOM - Wed, 7/10/2002, 15:43:59
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Dave - Wed, 7/10/2002, 16:10:39
      - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Sam - Wed, 7/10/2002, 08:55:11
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Mazer31 - Wed, 7/17/2002, 10:09:21
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Sam - Wed, 7/17/2002, 18:47:46
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - El Fishski - Sat, 7/13/2002, 17:59:47
        
        Fighting urban myths, one at a time - Balanthalus - Wed, 7/10/2002, 10:12:59
        
        Re: Fighting urban myths, one at a time - Sam - Wed, 7/10/2002, 15:28:29
    - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - wintermute - Tue, 7/9/2002, 06:48:27
      - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Stephen - Tue, 7/9/2002, 08:07:51
  - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Eric Sleator - Mon, 7/8/2002, 14:05:04
    - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - El Fishski - Wed, 7/10/2002, 07:18:10
      - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Eric Sleator - Thu, 7/11/2002, 08:44:26
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Stephen - Thu, 7/11/2002, 13:09:00
        
        Re: Public broadcasting - Brunnen-G - Thu, 7/11/2002, 16:52:27
        
        Re: Public broadcasting - Stephen - Thu, 7/11/2002, 17:01:45
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Zarniwoop - Thu, 7/11/2002, 11:06:21
        
        Re: The BBC's status - wintermute - Fri, 7/12/2002, 00:46:05
      - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Sam - Wed, 7/10/2002, 08:32:45
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - El Fishski - Sat, 7/13/2002, 17:53:58
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Sam - Sat, 7/13/2002, 21:10:27
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - El Fishski - Sun, 7/14/2002, 03:21:57
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Sam - Sun, 7/14/2002, 08:58:48
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Balanthalus - Mon, 7/15/2002, 12:12:22
        
        Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Dave - Thu, 7/18/2002, 13:25:45
  - Re: How can one disagree with something so eloquently put? :) - Nyperold - Mon, 7/8/2002, 07:47:22

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