> What you describe is pretty much what I had to
>go through to get my work machine working. Once
>it *is* up and running, maintaining it -- adding
>packages, updating them, etc -- is easier than I
>ever imagined ANY operating system could make
>it, but getting to that point is awful. It's
>nice to hear that that isn't standard Linux
>these days, though.

Definitely not.

Hearing things like that is what keeps bringing me *back* to Debian, but like I told Darien earlier, I have never once been able to get a Debian install minimally working (my definition of that is X and networking--I either can get X but not networking, or networking but not X, or neither. But never both.)

So I ask you, what good is the almighty apt-get if I can't even INSTALL THE SYSTEM so I can try it out? :-(

-- Dave