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Re: Internet Explorer and Family

Posted By: Sam, on host 24.62.250.124
Date: Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 06:07:41
In Reply To: Re: Internet Explorer and Family posted by Stephen on Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 20:06:57:

> I think it's unfair to blame MS entirely for having so many security holes; far more people are *looking* for security holes in MS' products, simply because they're so widely implemented.

True to an extent, but I won't concede the point. Take one area in which Microsoft is *not* dominant, for example: the Apache web server is the most used web server out there, servicing, last I knew, somewhere around 60% of its market. Microsoft's IIS has a much smaller user base. When security holes are discovered in IIS, it's routine, and when security holes are discovered in Apache, it's news. In any case, a company producing products that *have* such a wide user base should, if anything, be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.

> > There is free accounting software,
>
> Uh. Nothing that's up to the level of Quicken/Quick Books. I'm not aware of any really advanced free accounting/inventory management software.

Quicken and Photoshop definitely rock. No quibbles there. I think what I'd like to do, ultimately, is run Windoze on Linux so I can have Linux's function and security while still being able to use stuff like that when I need to.

> BTW, Sam, have you looked into .NET at all? I'm not a programmer so I feel quite unqualified to comment on it, but a lot of programmers I know (who are admittedly Windows-type folks) are pretty excited by it as a development tool/model/platform/whatever-it-is-this-week.

The developers of .NET do not use it. That probably says it all.

.NET is tedious and inconsistent. My guess is that there is a lot of in-fighting between the developers about how the whole thing should work, so one component will work according to one paradigm, and another will work an entirely different way.* It seems to take far too many calls to get simple operations done. I'm very much unimpressed, if that weren't obvious.

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* Ironically, this is an effect that Larry Wall managed to create in Perl (admittedly to less of an extreme) all by himself.

S "Offset blocks with braces! No, << to a specified tag! No, a dot on its own line!" am

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Re: Internet Explorer and Family - Darien - Thu, 11/21/2002, 06:54:48
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Message:	> > I think it's unfair to blame MS entirely for having so many security holes; far more people are looking for security holes in MS' products, simply because they're so widely implemented. > > True to an extent, but I won't concede the point. Take one area in which Microsoft is not dominant, for example: the Apache web server is the most used web server out there, servicing, last I knew, somewhere around 60% of its market. Microsoft's IIS has a much smaller user base. When security holes are discovered in IIS, it's routine, and when security holes are discovered in Apache, it's news. In any case, a company producing products that have such a wide user base should, if anything, be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. > > > > There is free accounting software, > > > > Uh. Nothing that's up to the level of Quicken/Quick Books. I'm not aware of any really advanced free accounting/inventory management software. > > Quicken and Photoshop definitely rock. No quibbles there. I think what I'd like to do, ultimately, is run Windoze on Linux so I can have Linux's function and security while still being able to use stuff like that when I need to. > > > BTW, Sam, have you looked into .NET at all? I'm not a programmer so I feel quite unqualified to comment on it, but a lot of programmers I know (who are admittedly Windows-type folks) are pretty excited by it as a development tool/model/platform/whatever-it-is-this-week. > > The developers of .NET do not use it. That probably says it all. > > .NET is tedious and inconsistent. My guess is that there is a lot of in-fighting between the developers about how the whole thing should work, so one component will work according to one paradigm, and another will work an entirely different way.* It seems to take far too many calls to get simple operations done. I'm very much unimpressed, if that weren't obvious. > > -- > > * Ironically, this is an effect that Larry Wall managed to create in Perl (admittedly to less of an extreme) all by himself. > > > S "Offset blocks with braces! No, << to a specified tag! No, a dot on its own line!" am
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