Re: We should all fight about split infinitives again
Eric Sleator, on host 68.7.40.26
Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 18:57:21
Re: We should all fight about split infinitives again posted by Dave on Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 16:09:51:
> >I don't really undestand why people think that > >some arbitrary form is automatically correct no > >matter what most people say, because the > >fundamental definition of any language *is* > >common usage, and I don't see how an > >ethereal "rightness" takes precedence over that. > > Well, some people just enjoy rules. :-) > > My take on the whole thing is that I'm fine > with throwing out stupid rules that have no > basis in logic or reality--such as the split > infinitive rule. The ONLY reason English has > a "do not split infinitives" rule is like you > said--one day a bunch of stuffy people got > together and said "English should be like > Latin" and since Latin has single-word > infinitives, you *can't* split them. So these > people decided English infinitives should be > equally inseperable, even though it *is* > possible (and sometimes the much preferred > construction--take note of perhaps the most > famous split infinitive in the language, "To > boldly go where no man has gone before") to > split an English infinitive. > > However, I firmly support "arbitrary" decisions > that have roots in logic and word meaning. For > instance, I can't *stand* "I could care less" > no matter how much popular usage has made > it "correct". WHAT YOU MEAN IS NOT WHAT THOSE > WORDS ARE SAYING AND IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT > FOR MORE THAN A SECOND YOU'D REALIZE THAT!! > Grrr. Also, the whole double negative making a > positive thing. That is *also* a construct > brought over from Latin. Before that time, the > more you used a negative, the more negative the > sentence became. So "Don't not do that!" > meant "I really really do not want you to do > that!" and not "Do that!" But this to me is an > issue of what the words mean and the logic of > the meaning, not a completely arbitrary > decision somebody made. If you look at what > the words mean and logic it out, "Don't not do > that" MEANS "Do that" no matter what anybody > says. > > -- Dave
Well, yeah.
-Eric Sleator Thu 7 Nov A.D. 2002
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