Re: The Deepest Water Ever...
Ellmyruh, on host 12.246.62.34
Saturday, May 25, 2002, at 12:37:11
Re: The Deepest Water Ever... posted by Shandar on Saturday, May 25, 2002, at 10:25:21:
> Romans 10:9-10: I'll deal with this scripture seperately, as it is not dealing with the same topic as the other two scriptures with which you classified it. The first thing I want to point out is the Paul says that those who believe "will be saved". Note that this does not say "are saved". There is a stark difference. In the following verses we find that it is confession, not belief, that brings about salvation.
I think you're mixing tenses in this argument. Here's the text of Romans 10:9-10: "(9) that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
This is an "if/then" statement, meaning that IF you do this, THEN that will happen. It's just the way it's written, so that's why it says "you will be saved," rather than "you are saved." It's saying that something WILL happen, not that it has already happened. That's just how the English language works.
As for the rest of this argument for baptism, does that mean that, until they are baptized, Christians aren't saved and won't go to heaven? If so, then if a Christian died the day before he was to be baptized, would he go to hell? I simply cannot see the reasoning behind requiring someone to undergo a physical action before they can be saved, which is NOT a physical thing. If that really is what you are saying, then I suppose all babies should be baptized immediately at birth, just "in case" they decide to become Christians.
Ellmyruh
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